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  1. shootersa

    shootersa Frisky Feline

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  2. Rixer

    Rixer Horndog

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    Look at the personal median income for each of those states and see where you're better off at.
     
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      Personal income does not translate into state fiscal solvency. On top of that, if the bottom of that list are losing jobs while the top are gaining, what does it say about the overall personal financial position. The cost of living, tax burden and loss of industry, bring long term crippling effects to those blue states.
       
      tenguy, Aug 11, 2016
    2. Rixer
      The first and foremost thing of importance for me is to support my family and maintain a healthy, happy environment and being able to enjoy life without the struggles that come from living in a low income area. I know this from personal experience.
      Say what you want about the tax burden but the bottom line is its better to pay taxes on a livable wage than struggle each month barely scraping by.
      I'll stick with the blue states.
       
      Rixer, Aug 11, 2016
    3. Distant Lover
      Yay for Rixer! :D
       
      Distant Lover, Aug 11, 2016
    4. tenguy
      @Rixer Bully for you, the selfish always make the worse socialists. As a liberal, I would think that sacrifice for others was paramount to your emotional well-being. As far as DL goes, the cheering for your statement shows his disdain for collectivism.
       
      tenguy, Aug 11, 2016
    5. Rixer
      I'm not perfect. ...
      forgive me. ;)
       
      Rixer, Aug 11, 2016
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  3. Distant Lover

    Distant Lover Master of Facts

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    On many occasions the Master of Facts has pointed out that when we have had Democratic presidents there has nearly always been more growth in the per capita gross domestic product in constant dollars, the job market, and even the stock market. :D

    The Master of Facts could document his assertions once again, :p

    but he has tired of pushing facts into closed and narrow minds. :arghh:
     
    1. tenguy
      Perhaps you are really tired of being shot out of the saddle.
       
      tenguy, Aug 11, 2016
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      If you think you shot me out of the saddle your poor eyesight explains why you missed. :p
       
      Distant Lover, Aug 11, 2016
    3. Distant Lover
      The way to get places in politics is to tell people what they want to believe. The Master of Facts tells people what they do not want to believe, but it is still true. The Master proves that again and again. :cool:
       
      Distant Lover, Aug 11, 2016
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  4. freethinker

    freethinker Pervy Bear

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    I would prefer a moderate, conservative Republican. That said, there is no way in hell I'd vote for Trump. He's a loudmouth, arrogant ass with no self control, and definitely not the kind of person I would want representing the US to the rest of the world. What happens when he shoots his mouth off one too many times at a foreign nation or leader, perhaps one with nuclear weapons? The man is an out of control loose cannon, and I can't believe the Republican party ever realistically considered him as a candidate.
     
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  5. anon_de_plume

    anon_de_plume Porn Star

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  6. anotheruser1

    anotheruser1 Porn Star

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    Well, im not happy with red or blue. Why should we settle for being screwed this way by red or that way by blue. America should be a free country and not have a government so power hungry and greedy that half the country will suffer no matter who gets office
     
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  7. M4MPetCock

    M4MPetCock Porn Star Banned!

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    Like the others said, just looking at the number representing someone's income as an indicator of success is not valid.

    Case in point: Back in 1988, I was visiting my sister in Florida, just before I was getting ready to move to Boston. My sister tried to convince me to try Florida. Just for the heck of it, I went to one of the national temp agencies, just to see what the market was like. (I knew i could get my foot in the door doing data entry so I'd at least have income.) They gave me their standard battery of tests and said, "Congratulations. You qualify for our top rate." When I asked how much, she told me "$5.50 an hour.". When she saw my blank stare, she said, "Up in RI, this $5.50 would be (she took a second to look it p) "$9.50 in Providence and $13.50 in Boston." But the cost of living down there was nothing compared to the north. The 6-pack of beer that I paid $5.00 for in RI, was half that in Florida. And ten years ago, when I visited a friend in Ft Lauderdale, he had just moved into a 2-bed, 2-bath condo, gated community, security guard at the gate, etc. He paid Forty-three freaking thousand dollars. In Boston, that same condo and community would have been about Three Hundred forty-three freakin' thousand.
     
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  8. pussy in boots

    pussy in boots ride em cowgirl up

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    I'd say the democrates. The only trouble is they want to move the wrong way. We do not need a nanny, womb to tomb state.
     
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  9. tenguy

    tenguy Reasoned voice of XNXX

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    My daughter, who lives between Boston and the Cape, recently did a study to see if she could live in S. Carolina nearer to her son and his family. She is the CFO of a company in the general Boston area, her commutes are about 2 hours each day and her home is appraised at either $350,000 or $425,000 depending on which comp is used to value it. Being on the water, it probably would go quickly at the higher value. In SC the same size house with 4 times the lot size is less than $125,000, the property taxes are also 1/4 her present ones. The cost of living is 35% cheaper overall, so by her calculations she could take a pay cut of 40% and stay level in her life style. So she told the company CEO that she was probably going to leave in 2017.

    But, guess what, her company offered to give her a 33 1/3% raise and allow her to work half of the year from SC, coming back only to do the year end and mid year tax times, most of her other duties can be done online or in conference calls. They will change their fiscal year end to May, so that her winters could be spend mostly in SC. Why did they do this, because they can not find qualified people with an MBA locally, who are actually will to work.

    She can afford to buy a nice place in SC and keep her place on the water for a few more years.
     
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  10. Rixer

    Rixer Horndog

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    A lot of that is true. However many workers can't find enough work in those red states to make a comfortable living year round. It doesn't matter if beer is cheaper there if you have no work or money to buy it. It's not a comfortable life for me but then I'm selfish and want to be happy. I'll stay with the blue states.
     
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    1. tenguy
      How come the unemployment rates in the blue states is generally higher than the red ones. California has a higher rate than 8 of the 10 red states on that list. Maybe your blue state is quite as great as you think. Hundreds flee the Golden State every month, to find work in those red states you seem think are so much worse.
       
      tenguy, Aug 11, 2016
    2. Rixer
      You aren't asking me to validate each individual move, are you? They all have their own reasons but I don't think lack of available jobs is a very big one. Usually it's the lure of cheap housing in the red states that draws them away. Unfortunately for them, once they find out life isn't so grand back there, its too late to move back.

      Now there is a lot of unemployment in areas but most people are working. The ones who are not, aren't putting in the effort to get a job. The work is there if you want it.
       
      Rixer, Aug 11, 2016
    3. tenguy
      Yet you are of the false notion that the opposite is true here, perhaps your perspective is false.
       
      tenguy, Aug 11, 2016
    4. Rixer
      Perhaps yours is.
       
      Rixer, Aug 11, 2016
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  11. Hush

    Hush Happy Hhedonist

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    On average, we have 40-75+ couples, so 80-150 people at our parties every weekend. That is out of a circle of some 500 people that are all STD/STI screened and certified regularly by the same central physician (testing results sent there), so no condoms needed. Furthermore, all of these people due to their circumstances, positions and so on have no reason to ever go outside of the circle. If/when they do, they take themselves out of interaction with others for no less than 6-months. All that said, most of the women excluding myself are exceptional, and have rather active libidos. The men are men, and that in and of itself is good enough in that a man (not a male) is a great thing.

    Now at our parties, most of the women and many of the men are buck nekkid from Friday night, until they leave (for many Sunday afternoon). Sex is rampant. If you want it, even something specific, you can find it. The weekends these folks can attend is a big deal to each of them. They want to be here, the naughtier the better, and it gets wild...Imagine the most perverse parts of Rome without all the bad stuff, and in the end, it is nothing short of absolute lewd debauchery.

    So.......We have the best party. Enjoy yours :happy:

    Hush....an alias
     
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      Hell no, turn em on, and lets see the show! (tomorrow night)

      Hush....an alias
       
      Hush, Aug 11, 2016
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      Do you live in heaven?
       
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  12. tommyturtle

    tommyturtle Having an Out of Shell Experience

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    I agree with how you feel about Trump but what are the alternatives? Clinton, a person who can't be trusted with government secrets? Johnson, a person who keeps moving left of the libertarian concept of "keep the government out of my business?" What's her name in the Green Party who is left of Obama? There really are only two choices, Trump or don't vote for anyone.
     
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  13. Hush

    Hush Happy Hhedonist

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    As I said in another thread...The "lesser of two evils" argument simply doesn't fly when it comes to the United States Presidency.

    Hey I know...Maybe it's time for you all to give it back to us NATIVE American's. Clearly the hairfaces can't handle this great land.

    Hush....an alias

    P.S.: I just came up with a GREAT idea.
    Perhaps us First Nations peoples should burn all the McDonalds and WalMarts down (like you did the Bison and other wildlife), and you'll either starve or have to leave :happy:
     
    1. tommyturtle
      I am part Cherokee as are many of the people who are from the central US. That doesn't stop me from being involved in US politics.
       
      tommyturtle, Aug 11, 2016
    2. Hush
      ...and Trump (or Clinton for that matter) you believe give two hoots about Native Americans, or anyone for that matter? "Lesser of two evils" is not an answer.

      Hush....an alias
       
      Hush, Aug 11, 2016
    3. tenguy
      Do you have a better one, at this stage of the game? Elect a life long politician or a outsider who really doesn't care what you think of him?

      The choice is rather simple, if you trust the politician, vote for her, if not vote for him.
       
      tenguy, Aug 11, 2016
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      [​IMG]

      You only need a leader...If you need to be led.

      Hush....an alias
       
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  14. freethinker

    freethinker Pervy Bear

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    Bullshit. My vote may or may not make a difference, but it won't be wasted on a candidate I cannot vote for in good conscience.
     
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      Did you even read my last sentence? You always have the choice to NOT vote for anyone.

      I live in Illinois. Do you think that my vote EVER makes a difference?
       
      tommyturtle, Aug 11, 2016
    2. freethinker
      Sure, I read it. But I vote. Just not the way you like, to please you or anyone else. I follow the issues, make up my own mind, and vote for whom I think is most qualified. I will not vote for someone I think is the most unqualified just to follow the crowd.
       
      freethinker, Aug 11, 2016
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      Right now it looks like the crowd is following Hillary.
       
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  15. Rixer

    Rixer Horndog

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    I agree 100%. I want to look myself in the mirror and know the Rixer "X" wasn't next to somebody I didn't trust or believe.
     
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  16. anon_de_plume

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    You might want to tell this to the dependent red states, it's the blue states that provide them their standard's of living.
     
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  17. pussy in boots

    pussy in boots ride em cowgirl up

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    Right now the Republicans are just rubber stamping the democrates. Most are RHINOS. I am talking about the ass holes in Washington, the red states have it right.
    Any NON RHINO would be better then shillary.
     
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  18. tommyturtle

    tommyturtle Having an Out of Shell Experience

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    The problem I have with Trump is that he isn't a Rhino. He really isn't a Republican, isn't really a Democrat, and certainly not a conservative. The truth is that there is no true conservative running in this election.
     
    1. anon_de_plume
      Who is a true conservative?
       
      anon_de_plume, Aug 11, 2016
    2. tommyturtle
      Ted Cruz was the closest we had in this election cycle. He couldn't convince Democrats who were picking up Republican ballots at open primaries to vote for him like Trump did.
       
      tommyturtle, Aug 12, 2016
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  19. seafoam1

    seafoam1 Porn Star

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    Its probably really past time to gather the pitchforks and march on D.C. and kick all of those bums out of office. None of them care about the people, only their own agendas and enrichment.

    It's really a sad state of affairs for this country.
     
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  20. CS natureboy

    CS natureboy Porn Star

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    And of the years with those Democrat presidents, they have had a Republican controlled Congress. That's were the growth came from....:D:D:D:D:D:D
     
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