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late 14c., conservatyf, from Middle French conservatif, from Late Latin conservativus, from Latin conservatus, past participle of conservare (see conserve).

As a modern political tradition, conservatism traces to Edmund Burke's opposition to the French Revolution (1790), but the word conservative is not found in his writing. It was coined by his French disciples, (such as Chateaubriand, who titled his journal defending clerical and political restoration "Le Conservateur").

Conservative as the name of a British political faction first appeared in an 1830 issue of the "Quarterly Review," in an unsigned article sometimes attributed to John Wilson Croker. It replaced Tory (q.v.) by 1843, reflecting both a change from the pejorative name (in use for 150 years) and repudiation of some reactionary policies. Extended to similar spirits in other parties from 1845.

"Strictly speaking, conservatism is not a political system, but rather a way of looking at the civil order. The conservative of Peru ... will differ greatly from those of Australia, for though they may share a preference for things established, the institutions and customs which they desire to preserve are not identical". [Russell Kirk (1918-1994)]

The noun is attested from 1831, originally in the British political sense.
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"Le Conservateur" was founded in 1818. By "clerical and political restoration" the author of this definition means the restoration of the Roman Catholic Church in France as the established church, and the Bourbon Dynasty as the French Monarchy. Both of these restorations had happened since the defeat of Napoleon Bonaparte, but the restorations were fragile because the French Revolution and Napoleon continued to have support among large segments of the French.

The meaning of conservatism has changed over the decades, and is different in various countries. During the 1970's a conservative Soviet Communist was a neo Stalinist.

When establishment Republican commentators say that "Donald Trump is not a conservative," they mean that he does not accept the orthodoxies established by Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, and their supporters that we should cut taxes for the rich, while reducing regulations on business and domestic spending.

What Donald Trump stands for was pioneered on the right by Pat Buchanan during the campaign of 1992. In one of this books Buchanan complained about the effect globalism was having on settled factory towns and blue collar wages in general and wrote, "conservatives should ask themselves what it is they are trying to conserve."

Donald Trump's supporters are those who distrust the Democratic Party on racial issues - especially, but not exclusively immigration - and they distrust the Republican Party on economic issues. Because Trump has many more supporters than Buchanan did is an illustration that the ongoing effects of globalism have been harmful to a growing percentage of the American population.

 

Game on .

 

I watched that whole debate, and here is what I saw:

Trump standing there calmly, chin up, looking presidential. Calmly holding up an index finger, to signal to Wolf Blitzer that he would clearly appreciate a word, once the riff raff got around to take a breath. At several points, Rubio's spittle sparkled on Trump's lapels, and Trump wouldn't even look at him. He just looked up at the ceiling, as though to say, "Some day the brat will shut up."

Rubio and Cruz looked like yapping little mutts, in comparison. Cruz not so much, but Rubio? Beyond ludicrous. That mouthy little shit can't be allowed within a mile of the White House.

 

NAFTA has benefited the corporate establishment in the United States, and contributes to the rise in the stock market.

 

I wish you knew what you were blabbering on about.

The establishment is doing it's best to discredit Trump, Trump was smart, he knew a leftist would not be elected this season, as a record amount of republicans have come out of the shadows to cast a vote, Trump is an opportunist, Trump knew what the people are begging to hear, Trump is playing his hand far better than any establishment politician could ever play their own hand.

Trump is not a conservative in any manner, Trump is 100% progressive, and he is also 100% against the establishment, Trump is running an unconventional campaign, and whooping ass.

Trump has spent less, will spend less and will get the nomination, Trump is now on the golden pillars of the rockstar persona, (as Obama was)Trump is a populist, (as Obama was), however, this election wont be won because someone was scared shitless of be called a loathsome racist.

 

On Boston conservative talk radio, Cruz supporters are constantly calling in to complain that their guy is being outplayed by a phoney conservative. Their explanation for the phenomenon is that people are nuts.

They just don't get it. Cruz is UNELECTABLE, and Trump is not even pretending to be a conservative.

Another thing I liked about Trump in that debate:

He was the ONLY one up there who said he would like to try to forge a lasting peace deal between Palestine and Israel.

The yipping mutts were ripping him for refusing to condemn the Palestinians. He stood there silently and took it. And when they finally gave him a chance to talk, he calmly said, that forging peace between Israel and Palestine might be the hardest deal he'll ever make in his life, but he wants to try, and he doesn't think the best way to start is to demonize one of the parties in the negotiations.

It was a perfect answer, from a supposed fool and clown, but the trained career politicians had no comeback, none at all.

 

I wont watch the debates, not until one of each party is playing in the same game.

You say the career politicians didn't have a solution let alone an answer.................color me surprised.

 

If he blows away supper Tuesday he may just skip the next Fox debate and Megan Kelly....................which is Thursday......

 

Immigration is not a racial issue.

 

The politicians were too busy being politicians to use their brains. They have their platforms memorized.

Israel comes up and the "friend to Israel" soundbite is triggered, followed by the "side with Israel against her enemies" soundbite.

 

First of all.....to me those are not debates.....I was on the debate team in High School and College....these aint no debates I have ever seen before....

it is a fucking food fight.....

 

The Master of Facts knows more than you do.

 

In the eyes of most who favor less immigration it is. They do not want whites to become a minority in the United States.

 

Nope, that's not it at all.

Sure to some.

But not to most.

It's about the rule of law.

 

Sure, sure.

I'll rephrase.

I watched the food fight.

 

That's why I wont watch them yet, I have re-runs of the 'big bang theory' to watch.

 

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I'm a news junky. Guilty as charged.

I almost never watch TV.

My other drags me to it for "big" football games...

...and I get help with the remote, for "food fights."

 

NAFTA is an environmental disaster for Mexico, not to mention it has hurt their wages. What it has done for the US economy is negligible at best. Overall, it has not been of benefit compared to what it has done in a negative impact to those involved. Keep telling yourself that NAFTA is good DL...won't be the first or last time that you are wrong.

 

Claiming that I think NAFTA is good is one of the areas where you are wrong. I supported it at the time. The arguments against it have been proven by subsequent events.